Interview by Erin Brooks, Robert Parker Wine Advocate reviewer for Oregon, Sonoma County and California Central Coast
Where did you grow up?
How did you meet Al?
Al was interested in wine when I met him. I was working at the Beverly Hilton Hotel. I didn’t know much about wine. We had a date and I remember going to the wine buyer at the hotel and saying, “I’m going on a date with this gentleman and I want to bring a special wine,” because Al was very knowledgeable about French wines and wines around the world. The buyer suggested a French wine of course. I took it to dinner. I think wine is romance, I really do, and Al talked about it as the years went on, that that was a very romantic evening with an incredible wine. Neither of us remembers the wine, just it being a romantic evening, a nice restaurant, good food, good company. Wine is social, it brings people together. It’s a wonderful memory.
What was it like on Diamond Mountain back then? There must not have been much up here.
Phil: There was no home here. So Al commuted to Napa every day until they decided to build a home here. Napa was really rural. You felt like you were out in farmland. At that time, there was still cattle in the valley.
Boots: Oh my god, it’s all so long ago.
Were you nervous about moving with Al to Napa Valley?
Why did you and Al decide on Cabernet Sauvignon and on a hillside vineyard? That was really pioneering back then.
Phil: What really got his interest going was that wine course at UCLA in 1960. That exposed him to some really great wines from Bordeaux and Burgundy. And he knew some of the original owners of Ridge Vineyards, before Paul Draper.
Boots: Al would go up to harvest with Ridge. This is before Diamond Creek. Ridge was in the mountains. And it was Cabernet Sauvignon. Al wouldn’t even look at the valley floor. Cabernet, that’s all he was interested in. No other varieties, no white wine. And definitely hillside. When he first came up here, there weren’t a lot of plantings of Cabernet. Château Montelena was up here, but there was nothing in the mountains. The only hesitation he had was whether this was good spot for Cabernet. The guru at that time was André Tchelistcheff. Al called him and said, “I have this piece of property up here and I want to see how you feel about planting Cabernet up here?” André said, “I think it’s a great spot.” Al loved to hear that. He consulted Louis Martini, Sr. and said, “What do you think?” Everybody that he talked to said they thought this was really an ideal spot for Cabernet. Al said, “They know more than I do, so I’m going to buy the property.” And he did.
He was different. Al had an extreme amount of charisma. He was fun. Another interesting thing about Al, he could never have partners because he had to do it his way. And I kind of let him do it his way. And if he made a mistake, he was never upset with himself. He would say, “Well, that didn’t work, let’s try this.”
Was it ever challenging to have a partner who was such a visionary?
Have you faced specific challenges in this industry as a woman?
What have been some of the keys to you and Al’s success with Diamond Creek?
Phil: He wanted to put quality in the bottle. That was extremely important.
Boots: Absolutely. He felt we could make a wine as good as the French. There was no question about that.
Boots: Well, he wanted to go into the business, but it didn’t happen overnight. It was only after he took the course and tasted all those wines that he really, truly, sincerely felt that here in Napa Valley, we could make wine equal to those in France. But he also felt that he had learned from them. He always said it in French, that he learned from the French.
What legacy do you think Diamond Creek has had on the Napa Valley?
Phil: Well, I think you’re being very humble. Because I think that if you talk to other vintners in the valley and ask about Diamond Creek, they would say what you and Al did was pioneering in a lot of different areas. What Al was doing, which is now common in the industry, was not common at that time. Al and some of his other colleagues had to set that precedent which is now the norm.
Boots: I remember, he would keep referring to terroir to retailers, and they didn’t know what he was talking about.
Phil: You and Al were one of the first single vineyards.
Boots: Yes, and we weren’t interested in anything but Cabernet.
Phil: And what about price point?
Boots: We were the first people to have a $100 bottle of wine. It was our Lake Vineyard wine, from little less than an acre. Al felt that our wine was worth the same amount of money they were getting for the first growths. He was highly criticized when he raised his prices. But it just rolled off of him. So we were the first to sell a $100 bottle of wine here in Napa Valley.
Phil: Didn’t he also think of price as changing perception of California wines? Ok, with French wines you don’t blink an eye, but you do with California.
Boots: He felt that, especially with Bordeaux wines, and also Domaine de la Romanée-Conti even though it was Pinot Noir, he felt our wine was as good and worth that. So he had this little tiny vineyard, that is to this day quite an incredible wine. And he said, “Why not?” So he put a $100 price tag on it. And it did sell. At the time, people thought, who’s going to buy that wine? Well, it sold out very quickly. At the second Napa Valley auction, it brought in the top bid. It was a lot of money in those days. Michael Broadbent was the auctioneer. He and his wife became our dear friends. We were so tiny and it brought the top bid and Michael was like, who the heck are they? He came to visit and we became very, very close personal friends. Very few people had ever heard of us.
Phil: In 1972 it was $7.50 a bottle. That was still more than other people, who were charging $5.00.
Boots: Al had an uncle who was a banker and he said, “Why would you want to sell $5.00 wine and go into the wine business?” Al said, “I don’t! I want to sell $7.00 bottles of wine!”
Phil: Even back then, you could get first growths for around $20.00. If you compare it to real estate, look what it went for then and what it does now.
Boots: All you have to do is look at the price of a dozen eggs and a loaf of bread.
What are your hopes for the future of Diamond Creek?
How do you define terroir?
What advice would you give to young people who want to start their own wine estate?
What will Napa Valley look like in the next several decades?
Phil: She hasn’t shared those secret places with me!
For you, what makes a great wine?